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An Open Letter to ebay

Dear ebay,

I first began using ebay as collector and greatly enjoyed the ebay experience. In purchase after purchase I was constantly amazed with the ease and simplicity of the system which allowed me to acquire items from people throughout the world to add to my collection. I recall the first feedback I received and the first feedback that I left.

I then began selling an item here and there. It was fun, it helped me streamline my own collection and provided a stream of funds to acquire other items to add to it. After getting the basics down I dove in with both feet. I spent every spare moment seeking items to sell, listing my items and managing the flow. I had a vision of building a business around my passion for 20th Century design with ebay being a core component of my overall business plan.

I worked hard, and smart, and built a business that stretched out past my little corner of ebay into the real world with a bricks and mortar shop. Utilizing ebay helped me realize this and helped me maintain my new business venture.

It was a great world and I shared ebay’s values.

Remember those values? Perhaps not, so allow me to refresh your memory.

- We believe people are basically good.
- We believe everyone has something to contribute.
- We believe that an honest, open environment can bring out the best in people.
- We recognize and respect everyone as a unique individual.
- We encourage you to treat others the way you want to be treated.

I ask if you remember these values after reviewing the new fees and policies for ebay sellers. These new policies demonstrate the ebay management is abandoning these values by implementing policies which I feel are seriously misguided. As a member of the ebay community I wanted to express my concerns in the context of ebay’s longstanding community values.

The core of ebay’s success has not been because of its slick programming and advertising campaigns but rather has come as a direct result of the honesty, trust, friendliness and commitment to excellence shown by the users of ebay - buyers and sellers alike. At the root of this has always been ebay’s feedback system which, while sometimes not perfect, has allowed the community to police itself and alert both buyers and sellers to users who are not living up to the basic standards of fair conduct in their ebay transactions.

This system has served us well over the years for several reasons. First, it was a mutual rating system and recognized the fact that there are two sides to each transaction. Secondly, the system was transparent and details regarding the history of each person were readily available to place context to the feedback. Third, each buyer and seller was associated with the feedback they left which prevented anonymous statements and false claims from being made through the feedback system.

The first reversal of this standard occurred last year with the beginning of the Detailed Seller Ratings (DSR) system. This allowed buyers to leave unsubstantiated and anonymous ratings for sellers. While the intent of the system (to hold sellers to a higher standard of customer service) is correct, by allowing DSRs to be made anonymously with no recourse by the seller the DSRs have created an uneven playing field.

My experience has been that some buyers are using the DSR system to express buyer’s remorse and, in some cases, leverage lower prices or make unreasonable demands upon sellers. An example of this was something I experienced when my DSR rating fell after a buyer left very low ratings because I would not lie on the Postal Service International shipping forms regarding the true cost of the item. Because this buyer wanted me to conspire with them in evading tariffs and I refused they were able to take their frustration out through the DSR system. I have no ability to respond, dispute or correct this under the DSR system.

In addition, the DSR allows for rating on factors which are, at least partially, completely out of the control of the seller - shipping time and cost specifically. I disclose the shipping cost on each listing using the ebay shipping calculator based on actual weight and dimensions and offer a variety of shipping methods. This allows buyers to know before bidding exactly what the shipping costs are and that they are fair. In times where the calculator has overestimated the cost I have routinely refunded the difference to my buyers. In spite of these efforts my DSR rating for shipping cost is 4.6 - the lowest DSR I have. I have seen this same thing with other reputable sellers. It seems buyers don’t believe that it costs what is costs to ship an item and the seller takes the brunt of their criticism.

I also almost always ship within 48 hours of receiving payment - usually faster. However, my shipping to DSR is 4.7 due to a “perceived” slowness from buyers who do not consider that I have no control over the time of delivery once an item leaves my door.

The new fee structure directly ties the amount of ebay fees a seller will pay to the DSR system which is flawed due to its anonymity and its reliance on factors outside the control of the seller. The sellers fees might just as well be tied to the direction of the wind. The DSR system was the beginning of the chiseling away of the ebay values.

This problem is made worse by the new policy of only allowing positive feedback for buyers. This changes our community values from “all people are basically good” to “all buyers are good and some sellers are good.” The feedback system has worked because it was mutual. The system is worthless without being mutual. If there were abuses, as ebay claims, with sellers leaving unwarranted negative feedback then other policies, already in place, could have ben utilized to resolve this. To make the feedback system entirely one sided destroys its basic premise and is contrary to ebay’s community values.

I say all of these things as a good member of the ebay community. I am proud of my 99.9 percent feedback rating. The two negatives I have gotten were both years ago from International buyers who did not pay - prior to the policy which prohibited non-paying bidders from leaving negative feedback. I have a great number of return customers and take great pride in providing excellent customer service. Sellers like me have been the foundation of ebay.

I will be thoroughly reviewing these new policies over the coming weeks to re-examine my future plans as they relate to ebay. Although ebay has been an important part of my business model these new policies are a dramatic change to the ebay terms of service. More importantly, they are an even greater reversal of the ebay values. It was those values which brought me to ebay - and their loss will likely result in my exiting.

I hope ebay reconsiders these misguided and ill-conceived policies which will primarily benefit large-scale, high-volume sellers of drop shipped items. To those like us, who as buyers and as sellers have used ebay to trade unique and collectible items, these policies are damaging. I urge you to remember how ebay began, the buyers and sellers who built it, and those values we shared as a community.

Sincerely,

The Modern Guy

100 Responses to “An Open Letter to ebay”

  1. on February 1, 2008 at 11:36 am Meghan

    WE ARE LIKE THIS (finger twisted together) I am sooo upset that I could just spit up. I look for stuff on ebay every day and I sell pretty regular.
    Love your blog!


  2. on February 1, 2008 at 12:53 pm Elizabeth Sheppard

    Great posting. I am still confused as to why Ebay would take away Seller’s recourse if people write an unfair or biased comment. It just doesn’t seem fair at all. I think a lot of people are going to try out other venues now, and that it is not going to benefit Ebay at all.

    A better solution to feedback problems would be to require mediation for both parties if there ever is a problem, so that any misunderstandings between seller and buyer could be solved fairly.

    I think they should cancel this “improvement” of not letting sellers give honest feedback to buyers because it’s going to cause a lot of problems for buyers AND sellers.


  3. on February 1, 2008 at 1:07 pm John

    I think what you have said here is absolutely correct. This new system is destined to fail the way it is setup now. DSR’s are not a fair and balanced mechinism of the process. Putting many honest and hard working people at risk of losing an income which they now depend on. Penalizing people for doing less then an above average performance is wrong. It is one thing for the buying community to rate your performance as less then perfect. You may loose a couple of customers if you do not meet there expectations. However it is a different story to get penalized for it.


  4. on February 1, 2008 at 1:08 pm Mitzi

    Very well said! You hit the nail on the head of this new feedback debacle.


  5. on February 1, 2008 at 1:58 pm Chyrl

    Thanks Modern Guy; you took the words straight from my heart and soul.

    When I received the “good news” e-mail about the reduced fees, then read about the FVF increase and changes to the feed back system I was so incensed that I could not even pen my thoughts in a sane and rational manner but you have stated it perfectly for all of us!

    Pay attention ebay! I too hope you reconsider these misguided and ill-conceived policies and remember how ebay began.


  6. on February 1, 2008 at 2:28 pm Lisa T

    Unbelievably well written. You put into words my exact feelings. I have been so upset about this ever since I got “THE EMAIL”. Don’t really know what I’m going to do yet, but I will be boycotting Ebay the week of Feb 18th.


  7. on February 1, 2008 at 2:57 pm Karen S

    You have written a pointed and accurate letter to Ebay and I personally thank you. I hope they dissect it in their boardrooms till they are as alarmed as I am furious.

    Ebay’s arrogance is beyond belief. And the anger of sellers, not to mention their disgust at the smarmy way these changes are being touted as beneficial, will have an effect. Ebay will not benefit much from the buyers they are wooing to fill their coffers if the Sellers with the goods go bye, bye.


  8. on February 1, 2008 at 3:18 pm barry

    well stated modern guy. I too have sold on ebay for about 5 years and have a 98.5 rating . after the star system was implemented my rating because of positive feedbacks went up to 98.6. but? i charge exactly whet the printed postage on paypal charges and ship the same day payment is recieved within 24 hrsn and even tho my last feedbacks said something such as , great item and fast reasonable shipping, the stars on both shipping and postage charges and delivery times all went down from 4.9 to 4.6. so it seems that the bidders leave a great fb score but then for some reason they leave a low score on the stars . i too think this was one of the worse things ebay could have done as far as a buyer rating a seller without the seller knowing who left the lower rating and no place to respond to that buyer as to why. now ebay has come up with nothing but positives for buyers that the seller can leave. and a few of the postings from buyers saying that they as a buyer dont get rated by a retail store , they are technically wrong. if you are late sending in a payment to your credit card you are penalized, if you do a charge back or stop payment on a check you are penelized, if you are a npb on your electric, gas, phone, water bill you are penelized by having those utilities shut off and have to pay a reconnect fee.if you go over mins on your cell phone you are penelized with a higher min rate on those over mins. etc etc . so please buyers that do these postings stating that ebays new system is great, because it is only great for you even if you dont pay the seller , etc.as far as the fee changes , an example — say i paid 5.00 for an item and sold it on ebay for 10.00. 5.00 profit sounds good huh double my money? yeah right! im charged under the new rate schedule 35 cents list fee and at 8.75% 88 cents fvf. then 40 cents plus 29 cents from the payment to paypal. thats 1.92. ok so now i have 3.08 profit. now at 3.00 a gallon gas at 20 miles a gallon in my truck at 5 miles to and 5 miles back to the post office. lets take into account that im taking 4 shipments that day,thats 38 cents per item= no my profit is 1.54. at the end of the year , yes i pay my taxes, ill pay 15.3% self employment tax and after deductions pay aprox 10 income tax on my sales total.thats 38 cents rounded off.that now leaves me 1.16 profit. so now if say i had 20 items listed and had 5 not sell i would have to figure 12 cents off each of the 15 items that sold for 10.00 each, leaing me 1.04 profit. all in all it doesnt take a mathmatical genius to figure out that all of the new system that ebay is placing upon us will literally pust out buyers and sellers a like eventually.


  9. on February 1, 2008 at 3:32 pm Todd

    I totally agree with the modern guy. I have made my living with ebay for the last seven years, but now it looks like I need to move to other venues as well. The new CEO has said that he doesn’t like ebay “looking like a flea market” Incredible! All us smaller sellers are what made ebay the giant it is today, but now they are looking down their corporate noses at us? They now want to brush us aside and court “big sellers” who are wholesale types that only have brand new products to sell. Large volume wholesale sellers are fine, but when I want to buy new things, that’s easy. I can shop at Walmart, Sears, or ANY PLACE online for brand new items. What made ebay special was that someone could find the childhood toy they had decades ago, that rolls back the years when they hold it in their hands again, or that new hard to find addition for their collection. Or in my case for instance, I had searched everywhere from brick & mortor stores to the world wide web for several years trying to find a copy of my fathers WWII battalion history book that he so wanted to see again, with no luck. But after the years of searching, I ended up finding one offered by a small seller on ebay and was able to present it to my VERY thrilled 88 year old father, shortly before he passed away this last November. I have always taken great pride in receiving thanks from folks that I’ve been able to help in similar fashion, but now it seems that the smaller sellers, fall somewhere between Jerry Springer rejects and transients in the corporate view. So, everyone, sell off as much product as you can by the 19th and then just take a week off from ebay. Take the down time to search out some of the MANY other venues available to us.

    ebay WILL regret this treatment of their core members——


  10. on February 1, 2008 at 3:57 pm Helen

    The only value that eBay subscribes to is that of the dollar.

    Your article is very well written, precise and to the point and is the reason we have left eBay.

    Thank you–Helen


  11. on February 1, 2008 at 4:09 pm Carol Clark-Russell

    Hello Modern Guy, I agree with you completely but I think we are missing another point. I asked myself how these policies benefit eBay and the answer is clear.
    As you mentioned briefly, only a very large business, for example a seller who lists thousands of items at a time, can afford to lose money on a sale now and then. They will figure in eBay’s increased FV fees and the occasional lost sale due to a bad buyer into their cost of doing business and move on. They sell in such volume that a few hundred bad feedbacks and an iffy DSR mean nothing to them. Their feedback rating will stay high enough through volume of ratings.

    Small sellers can’t afford these fees and losses and therefore file more nonpaying buyer disputes and general bad transaction disputes with eBay and Paypal. Those disputes are time consuming, nonprofitable and probably an irritation and expense to eBay and Paypal. They have to have a large staff, pay benefits, pay for Worker’s Comp, have a brick and mortar place for these people to work and park. Each of those things cost more money, a much larger financial department, a benefits department, personnel department, people to handle building maintenance, security etc.

    So here it is:
    OUR SMALL SELLER ACCOUNTS COST THEM MONEY AND THEY WANT US TO LEAVE EBAY.

    We are obliging beautifully by planning on leaving eBay for other sites and by convincing other to do it too.

    eBay must be overjoyed at the success of their new business plan. It doesn’t involve values which are costly.

    Finally a word to eBay, as though they would actually listen. You clearly state that one of the major resons for changing your policies is due to SELLERS leaving retaliatory feedback (not all those sweet and innocent buyers) and SELLERS thereby ruining eBay’s success by making buyers uneasy and afraid to bid.

    I would like to borrow a message from President Bill Clinton’s first campaign, “It’s the ecomony, stupid!”


  12. on February 1, 2008 at 4:27 pm Kas

    I agree, and I’ve been reading forums, news, blogs, petitions, etc. And everywhere I see hundreds and thousands of comments all saying the same thing: I’ve Had Enough. Fee increases happen, we’ve delt with those (and it sucks), though Every. Single. One. drives more of us away when we can’t afford the huge increases.

    eBay….started something wonderful and full of promise…but then they had to go and push it so hard that they’re breaking it. Amazon.com beat eBay for holiday traffic this last year…and that shouldn’t happen if they were moving in the right direction!


  13. on February 1, 2008 at 4:50 pm Vance

    This is exactly true.

    It also might be kind of a conspiracy.
    This whole thing is sham. The truth is hidden in various paragraphs put them together and you see the truth.

    #1 Sellers can’t leave negative feedback because it “scares” the buyers away.

    Truth. Negative feedback affects the pocket book of every seller. It does not affect a buyer in any way. It only levels the playing field of the market place to allow each party to post their opinion of each transaction. Now eBay has made that playing field lopsided against the seller.

    Why?

    Because they have simply set it up to fatten their (eBay/eBay Shareholders) pockets. This is how.

    #2 “Safe Payments” Under this policy if you want to sell something on eBay and have a score of 95% positive or lower you have to use PayPal. No other payment option is allowed.

    That’s it. The bottom line for the feedback change. You know how many 99.9% sellers are going to go to less than 95% once this policy is in place. I would say about 99.9% of us will. Why. Because it’s happened to us so many times. You bend over backwards and give the customer exactly what they want but they still give you a negative because they want to feel powerful in the end and since you have no recourse on your end it sticks to you and hurts your sales.

    Has eBay corporate lost its creative genius ? And instead has decided to only rely on increasing “taxes” feeding off the creative genius the millions of entrepreneurs who use their site.

    There wasn’t one new or exciting thing eBay brought to the table in this announcement. In fact it has been a while since they have had a positive exciting announcement. Maybe that is the true reason for the core growth slow down on eBay.


  14. on February 1, 2008 at 5:14 pm Robin

    Great letter, if only they would read it!


  15. on February 1, 2008 at 5:26 pm Earl Truss

    Well stated. I’ve been thinking the same thing. I’ve been a small-time ebay buyer and seller for almost nine years. I use it mainly to sell my old computer equipment as I upgrade. Fees will increase for me because I sell a few low-priced items and the lowest price range is where the biggest increase is to be found. For me though it’s not so much the fee increases as it is the DSR system. If most people are like me, and I think many are, given a response range of 1-5, I never give a 5 unless the person walks on water and rarely give a 1. This means your average will tend to move toward 4 in every rating. Like some of the others before - my rating is 371 positives and one negative given by a seller in retalitation for my negative for non-performance. My DSRs range from 4.5 to 4.7 even though my non-anonymous ratings are still positive with glowing comments. I can understand the shipping ratings. I charge what I have to pay for shipping (now $4.60 for a one-pound Priority Mail package) plus one or two dollars to pay my auction fees and PayPal fees. When you add that up, it’s $6.60 on a $25 item and it does sound like a lot. Many of the recent changes favor businesses and are driving out the small-time seller of personal items like me. The only reason I’ve stayed recently is the money - many used items I’ve sold lately fetch almost new prices. It continues to amaze me what people will pay for used stuff when they can buy the same thing or better new for only slightly more.


  16. on February 1, 2008 at 7:05 pm Leon B. Nichols

    Greatest way to put it in writing. Though it has been over a year since I last sold on E-Bay (whew! Thank Goodness), I will sincerely miss the sellers I regularly look for on E-Bay. I almost ALWAYS purchase from a USA, smaller (1000 or less FB), and better-rated (95% or better FB rating). I will notice I will find almost NONE of these during the boycott…because these will be the ones to leave for good soon after. I will miss YOU and others like you.
    Where else do I go for that item I remember from 30 plus years ago, and can buy under $50 for? R.I.P. E-Bay.


  17. on February 1, 2008 at 7:33 pm Robomower

    Okay, let’s put this into prospective:
    1. Ebay is going to run off a good many small sellers in favor of a few Power Sellers.
    2. Those who want to dump what they have in the garage aren’t going to realize what it is going to cost them until it is too late or they don’t care.
    3. Sellers are going to raise prices because of fees and dwindling competition
    4. Buyers are going to end up going elsewhere because it is cheaper.
    I sell robotic lawnmowers on my website and Ebay. I closed my Ebay store at the end of the season because the fees were killing me.
    Last year we saw a sharp drop in shoppers and felt the price increase from last year.
    I will continue to list on Ebay, but at outrageously high prices so shoppers will go to my website directly to buy things.
    Ebay will make money from the listing and my customers will save money from the Final Value Fees.
    I have to stay in business.


  18. on February 1, 2008 at 8:15 pm Micha

    I couldn’t agree more. Even as my sales continue to rise and I have maintained a 99.9% positive feedback, I am struggling with the idea of continuing to sell on Ebay.

    I wonder if they have truly considered the large number of smaller sellers who also do alot of their shopping on Ebay, and what would happen if we stopped buying AND selling.

    Part of the unique essence of Ebay is the wide variety of quality and conditions of the items that can be purchased. Because used, salvaged, and previously rented items are available as well as new items, it is imperative that sellers of such items can communicate to other sellers if a buyer has an unrealistic expectation when buying a used item.

    As a seller and a buyer, I have had more problems from buyers who do not understand the phrase “AS-IS” than from sellers trying to rip me off. And if I buy a used item “AS-IS” and it’s not exactly what I had expected, I don’t complain or give negative feedback- because I got exactly what I paid for. I just turn around and sell it again- trying to describe in exhaustive detail the item, sometimes at a loss. If I weren’t willing to do that, then I had no business bidding on an item listed “AS-IS” based on a written description and a couple of photos.

    Anyway, thanks for your blog.


  19. on February 2, 2008 at 1:58 am Tara

    My son plays Ice Hockey. He has been playing for about 5 years and he’s outstanding at it. He plays for his school. This year our school set up the policy “no checking”. If we check kids from the other teams our players are subject to game suspensions, demerits, school suspensions and more. This would not be so bad if the other schools had submitted the same policy but they didn’t. Their players are allowed to check. They know our players aren’t. This creates a very unfair advantage for the other team obviously. Our kids are beat before they even hit the ice and moral is at an all time low.
    Now I realize the feedback system is different. Buyers and sellers are not in competition but isn’t always wrong to give someone to much power? to me it is. Not everyone but some will without a doubt abuse it.


  20. on February 2, 2008 at 4:08 am janna

    And don’t forget now people can sign up for Ebay without going through that 3 day waiting period or having a credit card or bank account to show proof of who they are. Now anyone can register, start bidding and using the Buy It Now and leave negative feedback for retalitory purposes in less than 2 minutes. It has happened to me 13 times with one guy that is stalking me. I too am getting sick of Ebay and their rules. Decent sellers cant sell without getting the shaft from Ebay and buyers. Can anyone point me in a direction where I can sell my items instead of Ebay?


  21. on February 2, 2008 at 9:04 am donna

    Excellent letter! I have sold & bought on eBay for the past ten years. In the beginning, eBay provided a option for those of us searching to buy that hard-to-find item or even happen upon something we didn’t know existed and just had to have. Sellers were able to list items they knew nothing about, but with proper keywords & decent pics, make a few bucks or an incredible killing!

    Search being manipulated, inaccurate feedback & FVF increase are the main items that will force me to list elsewhere or finally start my own website.

    eBay stopped being “just a venue” a long time ago. It would be really stupid of me to list items when they can’t be found. Why should I allow eBay to make a huge profit from my hard work, research, etc. thru FVFs? And the inability to properly rate buyers is just laughable.

    eBay had values at the start, but greed got in the way & morals, ethics or any shred of decency is long gone. All changes are powered by greed & NOT by community requests as eBay claims.

    Thanks for the opportunity to vent & I hope that your letter will draw some much needed attention to this whole fiasco!


  22. on February 2, 2008 at 2:41 pm RUESNOOK

    Hi Modern Guy,

    Thanks to you I don’t have to write a letter to Ebay. You have spoken the words that I would have loved to write. I’ve been selling and buying on Ebay since 1999 and once just loved it.
    Now that I really need more income, I was getting ready to go full time. I don’t know what I’m going to do, but I sure liked the way you and others have responded. I’ll pray that Ebay will be flooded with letters as concise as I’ve read here.
    Rue in Texas


  23. on February 2, 2008 at 2:55 pm adam

    Great post! Hopefully someone at eBay takes note of it.

    As a seller, I could have dealt with the fee increase the same as I have dealt with them in the past…a little yelling, some fist pounding on my desk seeing my first month or two’s worth of fees, but eventually, I was over it and pressed on.

    What they are doing to the feedback system though is absurd and shows complete disregard of the sellers. It was a kick to the gut considering that played a huge role in making eBay what it was. I’ve been pretty fired up about some changes eBay has made in the past affecting sellers, but when I read the email I was at a complete loss of words.

    I do need to work on my plan of action. I don’t know if I will be able to abandon eBay altogether, but I know that my eBay listings will drop considerably.


  24. on February 2, 2008 at 4:22 pm Richard Krueger

    Everyone stop selling and buying for a week. There is power
    in numbers. We can make them think before the site goe’s under. This happened to yahoo auctions , raising there fee’s lost customers that never came back. They closed the auction site within a year. This is how the early unions had to fight for fair wages. This is no different. Boycot ebay and pay-pal . If a week is not enough go for a month. I am. Thanks for your letter too. We have had our best sales ever
    with the $.20 listing fee’s. We can afford posting more auctions and every one wins. Ebay makes more also. Not raising final value fee’s sky high . What a shame they are so greedy. We are looking for another site soon. Bidville might be the answer ????


  25. on February 3, 2008 at 12:52 am sevenbrosmercantile

    i have sold 20,000 items on Ebay. Corporate mba types dont have their spreadsheets programmed for seller psychology.

    They just dont understand, it aint the economy stupid. It is the point of the darn thing.

    Leaving a buyer negative feedback, didnt get my money back, it didnt keep them from giving me a negative in return, and it didnt get them to leave or stop extortion or stealing from others on ebay,, but that aint the point.. it made me feel like i had one small iota of control in the transaction….

    Ebay is it too much to ask.. give us a small inconsequential token called feedback in exchange for our hard work, risk, hours upon hours of work? Amazon has already done what you are trying to do.. buy em, leave Ebay a place where used and hard to describe items have a market.

    How many sellers have access to branded well defined products? How many can sell cheaper than walmart? Whereas on Ebay’s original model, everything in the world could be sold and resold.. talk about short sighted and let me yell it a bit louder… STUPID.

    I am striking as well. I wont sell on the week of the 18th either… why? not because i think it is good to hurt our mutual network, but because after 7 years of dealing with Ebay i have yet to get the feeling they are listening to anything i write, type or speak at them.

    Send em a signal, make it large with fireworks.. we need significant numbers… including turning off paypal on our websites to make this something that those atrophied Ebay ears can hear and weak greed drunken eyes can see.


  26. on February 3, 2008 at 12:55 am William A. Childress

    I’ve decided to leave my eBay account open (for now) and use them to determine the approximate value of my sales items. This will greatly aid my sales at a more customer friendly site. Since eBay doesn’t want my business, then I won’t be rude and offer them any.

    Additionally, since I won’t be listing sales items on eBay, then I see no reason to buy anything on eBay.

    Finally, it’s up to me (as a caring relative and a friend) to warn people away from shopping on greedbay. There’s nothing like doing part to help their bottom line.


  27. on February 3, 2008 at 6:30 am Pat Laurence

    I believe their business model may be to suck all the value out of the company, then sell it.

    As things stand, they favor the mega-junk sellers from China, and other high volume sellers, but want to get rid of vintage sellers, and other smaller volume dealers. I’ve suggested many times on eBay discussion boards that the company actually loathes ‘used goods’ -however valuable, and wants to get rid of this block of sellers.

    A really valuable change they might consider working on is what to do about the facilitation of chargeback fraud. Buyers who claim they haven’t received goods, file a chargeback — and have their money returned by Paypal, and in many cases, do not return goods to the seller.


  28. on February 3, 2008 at 12:48 pm Monica

    Bravo I agree, as for now I have a job and have stopped selling on ebay for the moment, this is just absolutely wrong and I hope they get flooded with emails!!!!


  29. on February 3, 2008 at 12:50 pm Frank Bruewer

    I listened in on the WEBINAR presentation that eBay executives gave this past Friday at 10AM PST. (Funny, only sellers phoned in any questions…I wonder why?) I buy in to most of what they presented about the new FVF and feedback changes. But, as seller I know I won’t be able to leave a neutral/negative feedback when a buyer leaves inappropriate feedback for me. But I can use the transparency feedback method (not easy to use) to let ebay know of my displeasure about this specific transaction. However (and a BIG HOWEVER), the buyer will learn very quickly that leaving five “1′” in the DRS will achieve the same result with no awareness on the sellers part (individual DRS ratings are invisible to the seller. From a legal perspective, I was tought that you have the right to know your accuser). And achieving DRS standards where discounts are made to the seller WILL BE IMPOSSIBLE. In today’s world the buyer is fearful of retaliation, and it’s still difficult to maintain high DRS. In the new world,
    don’t even try!


  30. on February 3, 2008 at 2:18 pm Dave Doan

    Very easy solution. Allow sellers who wish to have bogus negative feedback removed go to arbitration for a refundable ( upon success) $99 fee.


  31. on February 3, 2008 at 6:47 pm Margie

    You said it perfectly. I, too, will have to rethink my future with ebay , if these feedback policies go into effect.


  32. on February 3, 2008 at 6:47 pm Darlene McNulty

    I agree with all the above. Just want to add.

    I sell on eBay (for a while more, anyway). I also do a lot of buying. Mostly OOAK Artist bears. I’ve bought 41 from one particular artist. By eBay’s standards, she is a small seller. She has made 127 sales in a year. 163 members have left 428 positive feedback. Her DSR is at least 99.9 with a 31 rating. She works very hard to please. It has become tough for her to sell because of the fees. Now she will lose the hard earned feedback just like you and me. And, I’ll probably lose one of my favorite sellers. She has earned roughly $3,000 (less fees, material, shipping over what she charges, time, etc.) from my buys alone & I’m just a 3rd of her sales. What does eBay have to say to such an outstanding seller? Tough!

    I sell and am upset! However, I’m more upset that I will not be able to buy from this and probably several favorite sellers because they are small business.

    eBay may lose me as a seller (I’m sure that doesn’t worry them in the slightest) however, what about the buyers they are sure to lose? It won’t be just me! Many of us are repeat buyers from the small seller.

    I’ll go to big box stores for the other stuff. I’ve gone to eBay for the things I can’t buy in those stores. For my part, keep the big sellers. Most for me haven’t given me that old fashion friendliness. I treasure the little guy!


  33. on February 3, 2008 at 7:16 pm planetvintage

    I agree 150% with the wonderfully written open letter to ebay, concerning the new policies. Specifically the feedback; “Buyer’s can only receive positive feedback” DAH!!! I had to read it over and over again, as I was sure I was reading it wrong. NOT ALL BUYERS ARE WORTHY of positive feedback. I never jump to negative or neutral feedback for anyone. NEVER! However, when a buyer causes me to hate doing ebay because of their outrageous, and unrealistic expectations, or because they did not read the listing AT ALL, and are remorsefull AFTER THE FACT they do not deserve an immediate positive feedback simply because they are a buyer. I will absolutely re-think my selling on ebay. I work way to hard to do a good job, and to do right by my buyers. This new feedback policy just knocks the seller down another notch. It’s a slap in the face by ebay. Shame On You ebay!


  34. on February 3, 2008 at 8:22 pm ebay selling guide

    Thanks for visiting my blog.

    This is a great post, I hope someone from eBay reads this, though I doubt they will. It is kind of long, I am not sure if they are up to it.

    Hopefully things go our way, but if not… Good luck

    eBay Selling Guide


  35. on February 3, 2008 at 8:26 pm JULIO

    FOR ALL THE PREVIOUS REASONS I LEFT EBAY AND JOINED OLA AND I OFFER . NOW I AM WORKING FOR ME AND NOT EBAY


  36. on February 3, 2008 at 8:44 pm Ginger LaJeunesse

    I waited for days to read the new fees, etc, though my husband was all excited about it…probably knowing that I would be p#$%^&!!! We have almost 500 positive feedbacks and are 100%…tough to do. We have bent over backward, refunded $$$ and let the customer keep the item…taken returns when we should not have had to, and also bought many many wonderful things on Ebay, about 20 or 30K or more over ten years or so. We also sell the unique, old, vintage items that I also feel Ebay doesn’t give a rats patootie about, and that’s sad, because buying vintage or used can help save the world. I don’t want to sound too “hippie”, but corporate greed was/is something my generation fought against. Lowering fees up front by a miniscule amount and raising them on the back end by A LOT is just not right. To keep on selling is just plain stupid.

    I can’t compete with new items from China, and they rarely even combine shipping! A 3 dollar item with shipping at 10.00 or more and won’t put another of the same in the box? Please. That’s a rip off.

    I sell art and antiques…I also can’t compete with copyright infringing dealers who sell multiple copies of the same irem, and call it an “original”. I email Ebay about this and never even get a reply. I can’t compete with people who sell a 99 cent item weighing an ounce and charge 10 bucks in shipping. I had to start charging a 1 to 2 dollar handling fee per item because my mailers are 30 to 40 cents EACH, for a .99 cent item…I am GIVING it away. So then a buyer accuses me of excessive mailing charges.

    I would think, that given the recession we are in, and have been in, that Ebay would make it easier to sell, not harder. I was really going to try very hard to get a boycott started myself, on July 4th…Independence Day…but the week of Feb 18th works for me too…don’t buy, don’t sell. I’m going to have to get out and find a part time job, but it will be worth it to me, they have bent this seller (and her husband, who stands in line at the post office for her) over for the last time.


  37. on February 3, 2008 at 9:43 pm LO

    Buyers are not comprehending how this will severely effect us as well. There are many indicators showing this will be disastrous for the buying community. I have been buying weekly for over 7 years on eBay. The clues are very clear. What negatively effects the good sellers will also negatively effect the good buyers. eBay is in fact throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

    ******Good buyers will no longer stand out among the bad. This means every seller will be leery of every buyer, going into every sale, and rightfully so. The greens we have worked so hard for will mean absolutely nothing since the greens will have to be given to anyone no matter how little they deserved it.

    *******Who is wearing a good guy dot?? As a buyer, I will no longer be able to see the true indicators and decide for myself who is telling the truth and who is just retaliating in spite with no warrant. The new system will make it impossible to see both sides of the story. IT IS NOT HARD to read through both sides, red & green, and come up with a clear view of the whole picture. In 7 years I have had very few truly bad experiences as a buyer but while shopping and checking fb, I see retaliatory feedback from BUYERS daily over things that give no reason to neg the seller. Just because a seller leaved fb second does not mean it is in retaliation. A large percentage of the time it means the seller was negged first for something they could not control or blamed for the buyer’s stupidity and now there is reason to warn the rest of the eBay community. It always was the only seller recourse. This whole system will make it quite hard to see the truth. eBay is trying to say this will promote honesty , it will produce anything but. Buyers will not truly be able to see who is in fact *bad.* Why????…..

    As a buyer, when I go in to leave feedback and use eBay’s “Detailed Seller Rating Stars=DSR“, which was implemented recently. Not only does that system not tell the seller what they could have possibly done wrong, so they can fix their behavior or show if there is merit to the claim, it allows buyers to ding anyone they want no matter what. And now, if a seller does not give a buyer their little green dot as fast as the buyer wants it, whether they deserved it or not, there is no reason to hold back by the buyer. Every buyer can easily neg a seller just for that without seller recourse. This is not only unfair, the new ratings eBay has sellers meet are totally unrealistic. Sellers are now calculated on DSR, feedback, including neutrals and percentage of sales. Sellers have to uphold a 95% satisfaction rate calculated over 30 days. WHAT business in the world succeeds at this?? Small, good sellers, we want to buy from will now be very easy targets for scamming buyers and we, the buyer lose out. When I click my choices out of 5 stars, if I give a seller ratings that equals = good communication, as advertised, reasonable shipping / handling charges and quick shipping = this equals 4 stars. This sounds to me like a very good seller. This should sound like a very good seller in any market. This seller delivered everything as advertised, emailed great, did not scam me on shipping, and packed my widget just fine, PERFECT……..not so according to eBay…

    **** The new ratings set good sellers up for failure. eBay is telling buyers and sellers that a 4 star rating is very bad. eBay is making sellers adhere to a 4.5 rating at the least or their account can be flagged and power sellers will not qualify for discounts on fees unless they keep 4.6 or 4.8 and higher. How is this at all realistic? Any business model, having a 90% customer satisfaction rate is actually quite good. But eBay has set sellers up to an unattainable goal while being the target for buyer mood, which will give a totally false view on the seller’s intentions and performance making it very difficult to truly find the good sellers.

    ****Items will be impossible to find if seller ratings drop. Ebay has said that if seller’s ratings drop, they will make their items harder to find in the searches. S your favorite sellers can be targeted, lose ratings and then you will have a harder time finding their items in search. Is this fair??

    Not only that; ebay’s standards for sellers to uphold are impossible and insane, it shows ebay’s total dissatisfaction rate is no worse than J.C Penney. The HIGHEST rating by Netflix falls short by a whole 5%, for ebay standards.

    Here are customer satisfaction ratings for popular shopping sites:

    http://www.internetretailer.com/dailyNews.asp?id=24861

    “iNielsen Online, a unit of The Nielsen Company, reported that 82% of online shoppers surveyed were very satisfied or somewhat satisfied with customer support available during their online shopping experience. The data were gathered Dec. 13 – 17 from an online survey of nearly 900 shoppers. But in Foresee Results’ ongoing customer satisfaction index satisfaction with the Top 40 online retailers, as ranked by Internet Retailer on sales volume, scored an aggregate 74 on a 100-point scale, down 1.3 points from last year. The Nielsen Online survey found that 46% of those surveyed had done the majority of their holiday shopping online. 46% also was the percentage of respondents who said they planned to post, or had already posted, reviews about their online shopping experience. Most, 88%, said that their reviews were or would be positive.
    The 10 top-ranked online retailers in Nielsen’s report all earned “very satisfied” ratings from more than 80% of respondents. They are Netflix.com, which garnered “very satisfied” ratings from 90.3% of those surveyed; NexTag.com, 87%; Amazon.com, 86.6%; Shopping.Yahoo.com, 84.3%; Kohls.com, 84.1%; BarnesandNoble.com, 82.8%; HomeDepot.com, 82.5%; CircuitCity.com, 82%; eBay.com, 80.5%; and JCPenney.com, 80.3%.”

    ***** Good Mom & Pops will be gone taking their service and goods with them. Do you like buying from mom & pops? Low volume sellers are an easy target. A bad mood buyer can see one neg and use that against the seller knowing two can possibly freeze the seller’s account The new rules have also set small time good sellers up to fail so severely many good sellers we buy from will not be able to compete and stay, making the discounts we currently rely on gone, which will effect our wallets and quality of life. I frequently buy high quality goods on eBay at 65% off or more for my family and friends. Those days can easily be numbered and it will effect my entire family community. I find it interesting that the majority of sellers people claim about most are high volume power sellers, but there are exactly the type of sellers who will be able to stay, pushing all the good, small sellers out quickly. Yes, there are many high volume power sellers that will be forced to leave…but along with them are the low volume, one of a kind sellers we have grown to love.

    ***** Prices will go up to cover losses. Many sellers will also be forced to raise their prices to make up for the fee increases. While high dollar figure sales many not be effected much, this has crippled the $15 and under items which add up to millions of sales each day. Millions of buyers come to eBay to find that great deal or hard to find widget. These new rules will squeeze those out. Buyers will be forced to find their widgets in town or other venues they are not familiar using.

    ***** Hard to find collectibles will be expensive and even more hard to find. With all the above in place; hard to find widgets will go up in price. If many sellers leave, that means the items are going with them, which means there will be fewer to choose from, which means the prices to us will increase. Start planning on paying $250 at an Antique Mall again for that Bauer bowl you could buy for $40 on eBay over the past two years. This will effect many collectible markets and buyer pockets.

    ***** Forget about ever selling. Are you buyers thinking of selling? It will be too expensive, too risky, to stressful to even consider selling for buyers. New sellers will automatically go into the new stricter rules, with all sellers under 100 feedback automatically having to take Paypal or CC merchant with your account on aware status. Paypal is also raising their fees as well. You are automatically looked at as a fraud. This has not only maybe put a damper on bad new sellers, this has put a damper on all good low volume, new sellers as well.

    ***** The convenience of paying easily will be gone. Many good sellers who will fear the arbitrary Paypal rules will go back to money orders only again due to eBay’s new Paypal freezes and open season on fraud charge backs which is very high in the credit card world. If a seller account is flagged / Paypal account fund frozen, even for an undue reason, sellers will be required to take Paypal or other cc venue, but then they are open to more charge backs and more account freezing. This will be their only way to accept pay. It is a no win situation. Sellers will have no recourse for this. While big business can figure in loss, most of the sellers I buy from are family run side things and they offer great stuff.……. which means less easy buying for us buyers.

    This new systems put the BAD buyers at a very clear advantage over ALL OF US, buyers included. This is a horrible system and if eBay does not retract, I will take my business for my family of 6 elsewhere.

    I have emailed many of my good sellers letting them know I can no longer do business on ebay and the majority had NO CLUE to what ebay was really doing!

    Here are VERY GOOD you tube videos explaining the issues & giving us back our power!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FOXbSJ82aA&feature=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23TomS5–nQ

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6rKIZv9lP4&NR=1

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Jzc1V_1gC0

    Please pass this along and post anywhere you can with my permission!

    L.O. CA.


  38. on February 3, 2008 at 10:08 pm Patricia M

    Fantastic letter Modern Guy! You expressed my feelings perfectly. I am a small seller and even a bigger buyer. I’ve been here since 1991 and have a 100% feedback. The thing is, I only have 132 feedbacks, 151 with repeat buyers. One or two negs will mean Ebay can put a hold on my money. This just befuddles me!

    If I read the new rules correctly, if I don’t sell for a few months then I fall into their less than 95% rating for a 30 day period, since my rating would be 0 % if I haven’t sold in a 30 day period. I could still have funds withheld. Forget about my overall 100% feedback. Maybe I’m reading it wrong, but I don’t see how this is legal.

    How ironic. As I’m making this post, an advertisement was just on TV announcing Ebay’s lower insertion fees! So gather up stuff around the house folks and come on over to Ebay!

    One thought, wonder if it is legal for us to come up with a site or message board that lists dead beat buyers. At least we would have some protection to block them ahead of time!!

    Has anyone heard anything about WAGGLEPOP? I kind of like the look and feel of it and if I’m shoo’d away from here, I’m going to need a place to go!


  39. on February 3, 2008 at 11:20 pm Emily

    I have suggested to Ebay SEVERAL TIMES that they should make people go through a tier system in leaving neutral or negative feedback.

    They already have a tier system for sellers being able to relist an item when the item is not paid for - we have to wait 21 days and show that we have tried to contact the buyer at least twice.

    Why they have not implemented a similar set of hoops for the buyer to jump through I don’t know. Why can’t they make the buyer contact the seller to try to resolve a complaint before leaving a neutral or negative I don’t know.

    If we had a physical store, they would come in and complain and we would resolve it then and also the complaint wouldn’t be held up for all to see forever. It is completely unfair and I am looking for new places to set up shop.

    Anyone know of one? I have had it with Ebay.


  40. on February 4, 2008 at 2:48 am Stacey

    Excellent commentary! BTW, I have the first ever eBay magazine, still in shrinkwrap. Any recommendations where I can flog it?


  41. on February 4, 2008 at 12:58 pm Steve

    Well put my friend. I am completely with you on this matter. The DSR system is flawed and nearly impossible to amintain a 4.8 on all stars. I ship all my packages the next day after payment is received and many times on the same day if payment is received before 12 noon and I still have a 4.8 on shipping time. You can’t ship it any quicker than that. I am very disappointed and discouraged about the changes with eBay. It worked great in the beginning and I do not see the reason for these changes except maybe to justify some of the high paying positions at eBay. I guess if you are not making changes your job may be at risk.


  42. on February 4, 2008 at 1:17 pm Deb T.

    Very good!

    I am the “small seller” — the “flea market atmosphere” that eBay is literally hoping to drive out of their system. They will virtually make it impossible for me to continue with them — whether I want to or not. I have slowly but steadily built up a 100% positive feedback of over 600. That’s not much compared to most sellers on eBay, but it was hard won and I’ve dealt with a lot of goofy buyers, done my very best to please them (and it was often extremely difficult to do so).

    With the new Feedback system, my FB and DSR’s will fall and I will have no recourse. If I’m not suspended, I will be at the bottom of the list in the new search engine process -only sellers with lots and lots of positive feedback and high DSRs will come up first on the results (they call it “Best Match”), instead of the old way of “Ending Soonest”.

    With all of this, eBay will not ALLOW me to survive. I just hope they can hear the “NOISE” from all Sellers AND Buyers who are boycotting and protesting these blatantly unfair policies.

    Just sign me, “Looking for a more friendly auction site to call home”


  43. on February 4, 2008 at 1:27 pm Lorna

    Well said Modern Guy. Your letter was excellent. I for sure will rethink my future with Ebay.


  44. on February 4, 2008 at 4:23 pm John Frost

    Everyone has been complaining, legitimately it appears, but no one has offered a solution other than get eBay to rescind its policy. So, what is it? Where do the smaller sellers go after February 20th? If we can’t make money on eBay what is our other option?


  45. on February 4, 2008 at 4:41 pm Steve

    There are serious problems with the new feedback policy that does not allow sellers to post a negative to buyers… these problems may effect eBay earnings and even eBay’s credibility as an online marketplace.
    First and foremost, sellers negative feedbacks will increase, that is a given, little issues that could be worked out will result in neg’s and neutrals. The end result of this is a marketplace that publicly LOOKS less safe to buyers. An artificially high volume of bad feedback will scare away buyers & with the greater emphasis on end-of-auction commissions it will effect earnings.
    It is epidemic on eBay that buyers extort ‘partial’ refunds from sellers holding the threat of a negative feedback even now … this problem will go off the scale with this new policy.
    Example; buyer purchases a used laptop, writes seller and says it is more ‘used’ than he expected and wants $100 partial refund or he’ll leave a negative and 1 star DSR’s. Why wouldn’t a buyer try this? No downside for them, and can leave a negative even if paid off. Big, big issue for sellers, many sellers thus abused will not be back, more loss for ebay.
    Fee discounts are offered to sellers with 4.8+ DSRs … MEANINGLESS .. it is impossible to keep a 4.8 in the shipping cost category.
    Right now, non-paying bidders who do not respond to a dispute can not post feedback, but with the new feedback all a buyer has to do is respond with ’screw-you, I’m not paying’ and they can leave the seller a negative that he can’t even respond to.
    In short, this is a bad policy that will not protect buyers, will leave sellers vulnerable and will hurt sales because eBay will look less safe to buyers. Also, big companies (and not so big companies) will be forced to re-think their presence on eBay, if skewed feedback profiles damage their corporate images, just a bad move overall.
    In short, THE TONS OF NEGATIVES THE SELLERS ARE GOING TO RECEIVE WILL MAKE EBAY LOOK LIKE AN UNSAFE PLACE TO PURCHASE FROM.


  46. on February 4, 2008 at 4:51 pm Steve

    wagglepop.com could be the next ebay. Check it out!!!


  47. on February 4, 2008 at 8:42 pm SuSan

    A MODERN GUY - you’re my hero! You said it all so professionally - I’m too frustrated right now to write an objective letter. I think efade wants to become like Amazon - sell all new retail- All volume selling and no little guys really. Well I’m a little tadpole and I have loved selling for 7 years - watching my money earning diminish. Yes they provided the platform - I provided the customer service. I don’t like someone to tell me how to treat customers like I’m a moron.

    I have 2500+ positive feedback and just received an amazing (not) certificate from ebarf congratulating me on reaching 2500 - EbARF - 0DON’T PATRONIZE ME WITH YOUR STUPID CERTIFICATE. I worked my rump off to deliver good service to people and only have a 4.5 for postage fees and delivery time! I don’t need you to pay a college student 15.00 an hour to generate an email to me. Why not go back to basics and get back on track where your wheels derailed??? And stop spending where it isn’t needed. I survived a lot of years without a certificate. Don’t want it, don’t need it - just need a fair and decent place to sell.

    I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR SETTING POSTAGE FEES AND HOW LONG IT TAKES TO ARRIVE TO IT’S DESTINATION! WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD I BE SUBJECTED TO BEING RATED ON SOMETHING I HAVE NO CONTROL OVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Buyers can’t expect seller’s to turn over backword’s to fix something that is not there fault. Can you tell this is infuriating me???

    Thanks for letting me ramble…..

    I am also a buyer and must say that I have NEVER had a bad experience. I know there have been those unfortunate circumstances but it is like that anywhere you shop. I for one can’t stand Target’s return policy. But there is nothing I can do about it. If I buy something there I better be sure it is going to work out or fit or whatever because you only get like 3 returns a year. I know the policy but I still shop there. Is there a Big Brother somewhere that gives me a way to ruin Target’s reputation with improper feedback? Thanks ebad for taking the accountability away from your very own customers!!!!! The Seller’s are the people who send your money to you - NOT THE BUYERS. And without us you won’t be receiving those monies any longer, atleast not from me.

    Ok, I’ll put it to rest now…….

    WE all need to get excited about other ways to sell! Why, it could be contagious and everyone would be dashing to see where we all went! And then make that marketplace emerge as the light in the darkness. I visited Wagglepop.com as Steve suggested and it doesn’t look too bad. It looks like eBad did in the beginning. I have already registered and I’m going to start listing things on there. They have over 100,000 listings. I’m sure those folks were just waiting for something like this to happen. I sure hope ebarf doesn’t own WagglePop LOLOL.

    My best to you MG and to all the ecommerce sellers and buyers who have unknowingly, unwillingly and unconciously created a monster with eBarf.

    Susan
    suebu7
    SueBuTique
    Member of Ebad since May 19990


  48. [...] firsthand look at the concerns, no one has explained the sellers’ perspective better than A Modern Guy’s Open Letter to eBay (and the comments are very [...]


  49. on February 4, 2008 at 11:30 pm Sharon B.

    Modern Guy’s Letter was extremely well written and exceptional with regards to getting point across. What is Ebay Thinking???? We are the “Flea Market Atmosphere” Sellers that Ebay is trying to Phase-Out and have been selling on Ebay for over 9 Years. The new Final Value Fees and the inability to give negative or neutral feedback for buyers is just plain Crazy.

    Throughout the past 9 years as Sellers on Ebay, we have only given 2 Negative Feedback Remarks. I wouldn’t call that abusing the system. As sellers it will be impossible identifying Buyers who do not have any intentions paying. Where is the Checks and Balances that are needed to run a fair and successful Business Relationship?

    We have enjoyed meeting people and selling on Ebay. Now it seems that Ebay is developing the same mentality as other Large Companies. The Big Guy gets Bigger and the Little Guy is Phased-Out! If things don’t change, we will be the Little Guy that is Phased-Out of Ebay. What a Shame.


  50. on February 5, 2008 at 12:00 am Alex Illner

    Extremely well written. Congratulations and thank you!

    I firmly believe that even if these changes impact sellers severely in the short run, it will also hasten the decline of ebay and the rise of a much better replacement through innovation. It will happen.

    Please visit uniseek.com, see what we are working on that we hope will benefit all ebay users and feel free to comment.


  51. on February 5, 2008 at 12:39 am Jim

    I have been listing with ebay for 9 years and it has steadily fotten tougher and tougher to make a profit due to ever increasing fees. The recent fee icreases planned for FVF along with the ridiculous ruling where sellers can not leave negative feedback for bidders might just be the end of this experience for me. Plain and simple, 95% - 97% (valuewise) of my stock is listed elsewhere for sale as a DIRECT result of ebay anti-seller policies. I would have everything listed with ebay if it were a more user friendly (seller friendly) site. The sellers are ebay’s customers yet we continue to be treated very poorly by ebay. I hope your stock holders read this because you are costing them plenty through your continued marketing negligence. When another entity (google?) offers up an on-line auction site to compete with ebay I am sure ebay will implode under it’s own beaurocracy. It used to be fun And profitable here; the fun dissappeared long ago and the profit has been eroded to the point where many of us sellers, (more than you could guess), are aching for the day when a viable competitor will appear who will realize that the key to a truly vibrant marketplace is a host of good sellers with excellent products that people want to buy.


  52. on February 5, 2008 at 2:12 pm barry

    are we employees of ebay? was wondering , because being in business for my self many years and having both employees and subcontractors, the irs states specifically that the subcontract labor i use , i cannot tell them when to start work, when to quit, how to do the job,etc as according to the irs they are self employed.
    so if we are self employed selling on ebay how can ebay tell us who we have to use for a payment system, what we can sell etc etc .
    i in my brick and mortar business, i pay rent IE “ebay fees” stock my shelves with what i want to sell thats legal, can accept cash, checks , or what ever i want to.
    ebay has turned into a monopolistic dictator who no matter what will have the last word in every aspect of the sales you list on ebay , from listing to getting paid.
    if we are employees , then i think ebay should pay our gas and insurance on our vehickes when we drive to the post office, and also pay unemployment ins, workers comp, and medical insurance. please look at this link http://www.taleo.com/news/media/pdf/29En_20040415_HR.pdf


  53. on February 6, 2008 at 10:35 am modern guy

    MODERN GUY YOU SAID ALL THE RIGHT THINGS. NOW IF EBAY LISTENS,IT’LL BE GREAT. I’VE WRITTEN EBAY MORE THAN ONCE ON ISSUES, BUT IT’S NEVER IMPORTANT ENOUGHT FOR THEM TO CARE.
    I GET UNDESERVED NEG. ..EBAY’S REPLY IS OH WELL YOU REMOVE YOUR NEG. FB. AND WE’LL REMOVE THEIRS.
    I COMPLAINED ABOUT THE STAR RATING. IT’S NOT HARD TO TELL WHO DID WHAT IN THAT RATING IF YOU REC. ONLY ONE FEEDBACK THAT DAY. THAT’S HAPPENED TO ME MORE THAN ONCE. ONE BUYER ZAPPED MY STAR FOR COSTLY SHIPPING, WHEN IN FACT IT WAS THE ACTUAL SHIPPING,AND I EVEN GAVE HER A $10.00 SELLER DISCOUNT ON IT.
    ANOTHER ZAPPED MY STAR RATING BECAUSE I WAS “TOO SLOW” IN DELIVERY. IT TOOK THAT BUYER 9 DAYS TO SEND ME PAYMENT, BUT SHE REC. HER ITEM IN 4 DAYS. GO FIGURE THAT..LOL
    I EMAILED EBAY, WELL NEEDLESS TO SAY, BUT NOTHING WAS OR WILL BE DONE ABOUT IT.
    JUST WANT TO SAY THANKS AGAIN.


  54. on February 6, 2008 at 12:26 pm Henrietta

    An excellent article, thank you.

    Fee increases are negligible at my selling price point although selling strategy will have to be reevaluated. According to current economic fashions the marketplace determines what the market will bear, charge too much and you loose sales.

    e.g. 18 months ago eBay doubled store listing fees, from 3c to 6c per listing, raised Final Value Fees in stores from 8% to 10% & increased monthly store fees from 9.95 to 15.95. Huge increases. In response I removed 3480 items from my store and opened a website. http://www.200westmain.com The latest increase to 12% FVF, even with the return to 3c store listings requires careful analysis. So far it seems unlikely I will retain my eBay store.

    eBay in recent years has failed to understand that sellers are their customers. Sellers, not buyers pay the fees. True, if there are no buyers there are no sales, however, if the mix is balanced everyone prospers.

    It is truly disappointing that the new CEO felt it necessary to make derogatory remarks, ‘noise’ and ‘flea markets’ come to mind first, about his business partners, the sellers. This does nothing to defuse the situation it escalates it.

    The real problem lies in the changes to feedback. Your feedback is your reputation, it is a matter of pride. As a seller for 8 years & a buyer for 10, I have a score of 722, 100% feedback on 1806 transactions. Lots of repeat buyers. I have left 2 (two) negatives one to a Non Paying Bidder and one to a non shipping seller. I have received 2 negatives both from buyers with very low feedback who used the feedback system as a means of communication & later agreed to mutual withdrawal.

    I hope eBay will reconsider the decision that prevents sellers from participating in a meaningful two way feedback process. Negative feedback from new buyers who fail to comprehend that their choice of shipping determines how fast an item travels and how much it costs is a real problem, so much so that sellers are increasingly canceling bids from low feedback buyers.

    A system requiring both buyers and sellers to communicate through the existing dispute process & demanding a realistic cool off period (3 days is totally insufficient) prior to being able to leave a negative would do much to alleviate seller fears.

    eBay has failed to think this new policy through, 3 days after the transaction the item is in transit.

    Feedback extortion is an increasing trend. Buy something and negotiate a partial refund. I have an unconditional guarantee and very open return/refund policy. You don’t like it for ANY reason, its not sold. Send it back.

    I got an email from a buyer pointing out an undisclosed ‘flaw’ in an item she bought 12/17 which arrived on the opposite coast 12/22 in time for Christmas. Significantly Not As Described or SNAD is a serious offense on eBay. She told me if I enlarged my picture I could clearly see the flaw! I asked her to return it for a full refund, she declined and left me a positive feedback with Detailed Seller Rating of ‘1′ in all 4 categories. She tanked my DSRs. DSR’s are NOT anonymous if you know where to go. Guess who is now on my blocked bidder list?

    Consequences for me? My DSR is classified in the bottom 10%, that sends me to the back of the line in the new search result policy, with no real recourse. If I were selling in a competitive field instead of a niche market I would be effectively out of business. That is too much power to give any buyer.

    I will be writing to eBay management this week. I do not expect a response. I am actively researching an alternative venue.


  55. on February 6, 2008 at 8:05 pm Johnny B

    Great Post, the feedback system sucked to begin with every negative feedback I ever received was either from a nonpaying bidder or on occasion a buyer who did not read the auction (picture Lookers) who left a negative because they were expecting lest say an entire brand new car for the price of the tires.

    Usually the picture lookers would withdraw their FB when they got a negative in return which made them see that they were at fault and even thought Ebay took the Big Red Minus off your FB it still remained and harmed your business for weeks to come.

    Lets not forget the FB Blackmailers there will be nothing to stop them now.

    As for the Fee Increase I wont say what my items are but without all the bells and whistles in my Catagory you are not going to sell anything so it already costs me on average $29.00 an auction and now with the Fee reduction it will cost me only $28.20 Yipppeeeeeee But on the back end it will cost an extra $8 to $20 an item ?????????? some reduction.

    But wait Ebay plans to give its Power sellers 5% to 15% off their fees based on their Star rating and FB scores. above 4.6 in (((( ALL 4 CATAGORYS ))))))) for 5% and 4.8 for 15%.

    As the OP Stated with the Star Ratings in the S&H and Shipping Time are IMPOSSIBLE to maintain.

    The Star Rating is a Long term Plan just another little thing to make us seem like we are getting something back.

    I really don;t see my future with Ebay lasting to much longer as I don’t see Ebay lasting to much longer.

    Lets just hOpe at least 2 companys pick up the slack at least this way they will have to be competitive,


  56. on February 6, 2008 at 8:36 pm Henry Vuong

    Thanh you.

    I am an eBay Platinum Powerseller and I have never been so disappointed with eBay as I do now. eBay is heading in the wrong direction in trying to copy Amazon. eBay and Amazon, though competing each other, are two different beasts. Amazon is for the big guys with huge inventory, eBay is for the small sellers, and it is alienating them now.

    I am walking away from eBay, slowly but surely. I long for the day I can say good bye to eBay.

    Henry


  57. on February 6, 2008 at 11:08 pm Denise

    What a wonderfully written letter! Thank you for saying what I (and I’m sure many others) feel. I could not have gotten it out that clearly and professionally in my current “passionate” state.
    I too am looking for a new “home”. As respondent said, it would be rude to stay where I am clearly unwanted.

    I do feel for the stockholders; they are being led like sheep to the slaughter.

    Scripture says “a house divided against itself cannot stand” and eBay is certain to fall.

    Thanks for listening and for a letter that says it all.


  58. on February 7, 2008 at 8:38 am Dan Jolt

    Great article.

    Personally, I will my last ebay sales this weekend to make sure they end before the new “BEST MATCH” search default will start.

    As most normal ebay users will be too lazy to set the search options, selling after the change is too much of a gamble for me and I’ll wait a few months before risking to sell anything.

    BTW, my feedback is 100%, over 600 positives and I’ve been a member since 1999. This is the first change that really scares me.


  59. on February 7, 2008 at 12:01 pm teresaok

    The horror stories are already being told of sellers, good sellers who to avoid getting negatives are paying off the buyers, only to find out that they buyer is still going to give a negative unless they get a full refund AND get to keep the item. So, the poor seller pays up. And the buyer STILL gives a negative. So now the buyer has a negative, no item and lost funds. He can’t even get a refund from eBay or PayPal. So he is stung by the entire system.

    One lady said she LOVED her new shoes. Fabulous Shoes she said. Then a few days later she contacted the seller saying she needed a refund. The seller asked why since the buyer had said they were fabulous. The buyer said that they were, but not as fabulous as she thought they would be. The seller posted that she didn’t realize there were levels of fabulous. Anyway, to avoid a negative she refunded the fees. So the buyer gave her feedback and and then emailed her and said her husband told her to threaten to leave a negative so she could get a refund and be able to keep the shoes.


  60. on February 7, 2008 at 2:28 pm Jim

    You may be a monopoly now ebay but google WILL bury you!! The animosity you have created with your customers (the sellers) is irrepairable and they will leave in droves the second GOOGLE announces their entry into the on-line auction venue. C-YA!!!!!


  61. on February 7, 2008 at 9:04 pm dennis

    i agree…excellent points…based on what i read in the news ebay has this very strange opinion that they are losing buyers because of all the bad sellers and since they have made these new rules i suspect the managment believes that a vast majority of the sellers are bad ones….otherwise it would make more logic to weed out the bad sellers….i suspect that part of the problem is ebay gets a ton of emails from unhappy buyers and doesnt consider that maybe that is 1 percent of the total and that 99 percent were happy..their fear of losing another buyer has pushed them into making these unwisw changes….and again i suspect the old problem of designig by committee is at work…ok so much for speculation as to myself we just had the last item sell it was a list for a friend…and we are done with buying also so that means i represent 1 less seller and 1 less buyer….so they will have to work hard to find someone new….the real problem is profits…you can only grow something so big and then it just cant get much bigger..not my words that of warren buffeet who said in the early days with the right deal he could double bershire in a year now with the buiggest deal maybe a 3 percent gain…and i would suggest going into a recession you would want to lower fees tio encourage business not raise them anyway to all who stay good luck to you


  62. on February 7, 2008 at 10:41 pm Jay

    I’ll stand by you …………


  63. on February 7, 2008 at 11:52 pm Pat

    Good Bye EBAy hello Craigs List


  64. on February 8, 2008 at 1:27 am w0mnchld

    Thanks Modern Guy!!!! You said it. The “powers that be” at Ebay must of had one to many Martinis during the lunch meeting that hatched this latest money making scheme.

    This change in feedback policy will affect everybodies “bottom line” (ie profits) ours and theirs.

    Sadly I fear it will take awhile for them to realize their mistake. By then they will have alienated thousands upon thousands of small buyers/sellers like myself.


  65. on February 8, 2008 at 4:58 am Molly

    All buyers please note after this my last auction ~~ Ebay just up there fees so high that its very hard to offer the great values that we have for the last 9 years!!! These new ebay rate hikes will COST YOU THE BUYER. Someone has to pick them up.Also the new star rating is really not right for i charge $2.95 shipping flat fee total for 1 item or 100 and i lose on every package i ship and my star rate on shipping charge is 4.7 and since it is below 4.8 i will have to pay 15% more fees.What a joke.Again i have asked ebay how this is fair and again they cant answer me.There are over 1 million BUYERS AND SELLERS going on strike from the 18th till the 25th.We are going on strike from the end of this auction till ebay treats people like people.We want to thank all our buyers for there business for we do care about you.I wish ebay cared more about the BUYERS AND SELLERS as much as the greed they have for profits only.Ebay use to be a fun place but now it has been to much work to try and make a profit with the HIGH FEES EBAY CHARGES.Please all BUYERS and sellers join us and together we can have a voice. Together we stand, divided we fall.

    Ebay is counting on us not standing together. PROVE THEM WRONG!

    http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewListedItems&userid=123&sort=3&page=3&rows=200&since=30&rdir=0


  66. on February 8, 2008 at 5:02 am Molly

    There comes a time when people need to take a stand. The “other times” failed because, when all was said and done, there was really nowhere else to go and paying the “outrageous” fees made more business sense than uprooting business to move onto unsure waters.

    This time is different because it’s not just increased fees. Ebay has discounted and refuses to acknowledge that sellers are important to the success of Ebay at all.

    Its a sense that EBay has forgotten (or hired leaders who never knew) that it is the sellers who chose EBay way back then, the sellers who brought EBay to the critical mass of items, the sellers who promoted EBay as a venue, the sellers who pay EBay for the “privilege” of having their items exposed to the wide audience of Ebay (an audience attracted primarily through the hard work of the sellers). They have forgotten (or hired leaders who never knew) that SELLERS are EBay’s customers, and BUYERS are SELLERS customers. BUYERS are NOT Ebay customers.

    Old management was seen as “greedy” (if you consider constructing a business in a way to make the most money possible as “greed” - I do not: We all charge the maximum that a customer will pay for our items and services), but they were not stupid like this new crew. Discounting the importance of the sellers who pay your salary through a percentage of their own hard work is just plain stupid and insulting.


  67. on February 8, 2008 at 1:41 pm Jane, Colo. Sprgs. CO.

    Well said, and tthank you!

    I was out of the country when all this hit the fan and I’m trying to catch up.

    Who were the idiots came up with these changes? Ebay should fire them. I’d be curious to know their names and positions so that I can e-mail them individually.

    We sellers are the ones who fed this, now monster, that has turned on us and is eating it’s young.

    I have heard that to pick up the slack of lost sellers, Ebay has signed an agreement with a large auto company. I will boycott this company and e-mail them to let them know why.

    We sellers now have it within our power to “grow” the business of other auction sites. Perhaps it would have even more of an impact if, during the boycott, we all transferred out business to the same venues.


  68. on February 8, 2008 at 3:57 pm Jane, Colo. Sprgs. CO.

    I am the same person as on the above (#67) post.

    I have just signed up for msn auctions. The have no listing or final value fees and give your account a $50 credit just for signing up.

    I think they are anxious to get our business and I would suggest that others check them out and use them, if only for the boycott period.


  69. on February 8, 2008 at 6:28 pm hayduke

    Well said.

    Here is a graphic for use in promoting the upcoming boycott. Feel free to use it.

    http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c276/sledbiscuit/boycott.jpg

    <img src=”http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c276/sledbiscuit/boycott.jpg”


  70. on February 8, 2008 at 9:42 pm Trish the dish

    Modern Guy & LO (above) Good stuff! Keep it up. Let’s not get complacent and fall for a Seller Special the week of the boycott ’cause you know that’s what is going to happen. LO, you put it so articulately. It is a nightmare for us small sellers. You succintly summed up the other side of the coin re: honest buyers. They will no longer be able to find a designer handbag or high end good for a great price from those of us with stuffed closets because it will just be too much aggravation and risk. I sell personal items acquired from a famous french company I worked for for 18 years. It pays for parochial school tuition & dance lessons. I am devastated I will no longer have a steady income to count on. Hopefully google auctions will be up by April. Good luck to all. Karma my babies!!


  71. on February 9, 2008 at 6:16 am Steve

    Someone should start a myspace page and a facebook page which has that Boycott graphic above as the default pic. Need to add the word eBay underneath the word Boycott and should say forever, instead of the one week dates.
    If I had the time to do it I would!!
    If someone does, please let us all know that it’s up and running.
    Thanks!!


  72. on February 9, 2008 at 6:20 am Steve

    Just checked and there already is a myspace “Boycott eBay” page right here at the following link:

    http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=327430057


  73. on February 9, 2008 at 10:20 pm Flora

    I agree with the previous, well written and thoughtful posts. I am pleased to note that many BUYERS are as upset about the unfairness of the feedback system as some sellers. would appreciate information of sites for me to investigate as alternatives to ebay. I work full time but am forced to rely on ebay to help pay the bills. A store front is one possibility but I’ve often had a “hot” item that far exceeded my expections in an ebay auction and can’t have that with a store. I am totally disillusioned with ebay’s callous treatment of those of us who made them RICH beyond their wildest dreams.


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  75. on February 11, 2008 at 12:47 am Sandy

    I hope the formulators of the tortured new tact read this. When the original founding principles are cut away rather than built upon, the structure will surely fall.

    The obvious to me is to make the Feedback more transparent and left for the two in the transaction to work things out. If Feedback is left open for 30 days and allowed to be changed as they move thru the process, both parties will have the incentive not to look the fool. It will also be abundantly clear quite quickly which party others will wish to transact with.

    Get the bumper sticker. Stick it proudly.


  76. on February 11, 2008 at 1:09 am debipier

    Absolutely wonderful blog!!

    Kuddos to you!!

    Boycott Ebay!! Feb 18 thru 25!!

    UNITED WE STAND_____DIVIDED WE FALL…


  77. on February 11, 2008 at 1:19 am Paul

    You are so on point! Thank you for expressing so accurately what so many of us small-time buyers and sellers feel. It’s sad, but we must just move on and find other venues that may value us. Hopefully, we will help to create other success stories. It’s been a good run at eBay, but it’s over now and we must look forward and not back.


  78. on February 11, 2008 at 1:22 am LM

    Well stated. I think eBay is something that’s become so much a part of our lives, that it’s hard to let go. For many it’s a 10+ year “relationship.” It was different than shopping when you used eBay because you were able to find things that no one else had and you “won” those items. The winner’s high will never compete with charging something at Wal-Mart. And selling on eBay was so exciting when you first got started. I remember watching that first item for almost the whole 7 days, constantly refreshing the page and looking at the different bidders’ profiles. It was so exciting, and yet it was a $4 item. However, I do notice a marked difference between how eBay used to be and how it is now. I think a lot of us are blinded by what eBay used to be. And we think there are no other options out there. But the truth is, eBay cut its ties to the past a while ago and these latest changes make eBay unrecognizable to me. And there are other sites out there that feel how eBay used to feel: eCrater, blujay, Ola, iOffer, bidville, to name a few. For those of you that are boycotting or leaving for good, please sign some of the petitions to let eBay know that these changes are not acceptable:

    http://www.thepetitionsite.com/petition/690244098

    http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?FVF


  79. on February 11, 2008 at 1:37 am duchessa3

    WELL SAID, MODERNGUY! GREAT NOISE, LOL!!! JUST KEEPS GETTING LOUDER!! Thanks from another flea-marketer xxxx


  80. on February 11, 2008 at 1:53 am Walt

    Fee-Bay is obviously not a drug free workplace. In fact, it’s probably a “Free Drug” workplace, they had to be stoned on crack to come up with such a ridiculously suicidal, sociopathic plan. The new regime obviously has no connection with reality to make such a move. My last listing was Friday, I have drained my PP and paid FeeBay in full. I’m done with them.


  81. on February 11, 2008 at 2:08 am Nick

    I consider myself a fair hand at communication, however you have stated the case better than I could ever hope to. Well done, and thank you from a sad fleeing flea-marketer.


  82. on February 11, 2008 at 1:38 pm Peggy

    Very well said. I think all sellers who have been on Ebay for a number of years, or sold in large volume, have experienced bad buyers on more than one occassion. I just forwarded info to my attorney to send a letter to a buyer who is threatening to sue me for not making a refund. The refund was made and is a pending e-check from paypal that has not cleared yet-but of course that is my fault. This is all due to buyers remorse over a $45.00 item. It is sad that Ebay has come to this. I would love to hear your thoughts on the Paypal 21 day hold on payments and on certain sellers being required to accept paypal….


  83. on February 11, 2008 at 2:17 pm Peggy

    I just finished reading all the other comments and I want to let other readers looking for new venues to be careful. In some of the posintgs on Ebay Forums it is mentioned that some of these venues are owned in part by Ebay. I don’t recall the entire list, but I think it included Craigslist, Half.com, and some others as well as the obvious Skype and Paypal. For the upcoming boycott to be successful all of Ebay’s entities should be boycotted. Some of the venues that forum bloggers are flocking to are ioffer.com, ecrater.com, and onlineauctions.com. I am evaluating all of them to determine who best suits my needs. If you post on the Ebay Forums in regard to this, be careful of how communicate your comments, as Ebay is pulling a lot of posts, allegedly for profanity. My post was pulled and the worst word in it was moron. I related the story of the buyer that my attorney is now contacting. I made sure that there was no identifying info in the post (name, ebay id, item listing number, etc in order not to violate Ebay user policies) and they still pulled it. Obviously it clearly indicated that the buyers are the bigger problem, which goes against Ebay’s public commentary on the matter. Censorship is alive and well!


  84. on February 11, 2008 at 9:51 pm henry

    thank you for your very precise and articulate letter. you speak for thousands of us.